Britax evolva 1-2-3 ultra or stm starlight (recaro ys)?

I'm an Italian mother and unfortunatly I can't speack Franch.
So I hope you'll forgive me to write in English!
I have to buy a carseat for my 3 years old/15 kg dd. I was going to buy a group 2-3 seat but I discovered that it would be still unsafe for my dd, because of the lack of the 5 point harnesses.
Unfortunatly in Italy only very few 1-2-3 group car seat are sold. I was able to find just the following:

1: SMT starlight SP or Recaro young sport
2: Britax Evolva 123 ultra
3: bebe confort Trianos (or Hipsos?)

Unfortunatly the 2006 crash test assign to both 1 and 2 just 3 stars (recomended), while the most part of 2-3 gruop car seat have 4 stars. But I would be unconfortable in using a seat without the 5-point harnesess.
So I'm thinking to buy the starlight or the britax, but I cannot decide which one is the best?
what is your opinion? do you know any other car-seat that I could buy (I could buy it over the net!)
Many, many thanks

Lucilla

Je suis désolé mais je ne peux pas Français de speack, ainsi je peux essayer de traduire mon message avec le google !

Je dois acheter un carseat pendant mes 3 années densité double de /15 kilogramme. J'allais acheter un siège du groupe 2 ou 3 mais j'ai découvert qu'il serait encore peu sûr pour ma densité double, en raison du manque des harnais de 5 points. Unfortunatly en Italie seulement très peu de siège de voiture du groupe 1-2-3 sont vendus. Je pouvais trouver juste ce qui suit :
1 : STM Starlight PS (Recaro young sport)
2 : Britax Evolva 123 ultra
3 : Bebè confort Trianos (ou Hipsos ?)

Unfortunatly que l'essai de 2006 accidents assignent à 1 et 2 juste 3 tient le premier rôle (recomended), alors que la plupart de partie de siège de voiture de 2 ou 3 gruop ont 4 tient le premier rôle. Mais je serais unconfortable en employant un siège sans harnesess de 5 points. Ainsi je pense pour acheter le SMT Starlight ou le Britax, est-ce que mais je ne peux pas décider le quel est le meilleur ? quel est votre avis ? vous connaissez n'importe quel autre voiture-siège que je pourrais acheter (je pourrais l'acheter au-dessus du filet !)

Ok I have understand but, I can't answer you because I don't know what is the best for you. I have juste buy a group 1 and the choice was very difficult.
I hope someone else could be better than me to advice you.

Hello Lucilla !!

As your baby is 3 years old and 15kg, I think that the best carseat will be a 2/3 group. Even if they don't have a 5 points harnesses they are more reliable.

You have to know that a multigroup carseat protect less than a one group carseat, because the constructors must adapt their carseat to several age and baby growth.

The 3 best carseats from 2/3 group for me are
Rody Xp by Maxi-Cosi
Kid plus by Römer/Britax
Lift evo Pt by Concord

If you really want a 1/2/3 carseat group, the kiddy life plus is the best. It gets 4 stars but a shield instead of a harnesse.


Thank to my love for the traduction !

I agree with Choupie, it would be best to buy a group 2/3 carseat for your child. How old is he exactly? The TCS does not recommend a 2/3 carseat for chidren under the age of four, because they tend to bend forward when they fall asleep. If that is the case with your chid, then maybe you should buy a group 1/2/3 carseat, but as Choupie has said, they are not as reliable as group 2/3 carseats.
My favourite 2/3 carseat is the Römer Kid Plus. It has good results in both front and side crashes. If you choose a 1/2/3 carseat, then you should purchase a Kiddy Life Plus or a Kiddy Life Pro ( the newest model ). You can buy them on eBay. I've already bought a Kiddy Life Plus for my parents in law from a seller called Laluz Menden.
Don't hesitate to ask if you have more questions, we'll do our best to help you!

This is an international forum now ! and Choupie is the best international babysheep !

thanks a lot for your answers!
unfortunatly my dd is 3 years old exactly today! this is why i'm in trouble and I can't decide between the two groups (1-2-3 or 2-3). I know that the group 2-3 is safer that 1-2-3, but I also know that at 3 years would be better to stick to 5-point harnesses. On the other and I have to buy another seat to take out my almost 15 months dd from the infant seat! so which is the best compromise?
I thought about the kiddy life, but I'm afraid that my dd is too big know for the shield, and I'm afraid that she couldn't like it!
So it is really hard to decide!

I found the extended results of the 2006 crash test for the starlight as reported from the STM website, and they state that the poor results on the front crash are restricted just to the carseat used as group 1 with the 3-point belt, but the seat shouldn't be used in this way! but who knows.... it is something reported in their website!

what I should do!??!?!

thanks to the TRASLATOR-BOY!


merci beaucoup de vos réponses ! unfortunatly ma densité double est 3 années exactement aujourd'hui ! c'est pourquoi j'ai des ennuis et je ne peux pas décider entre les deux groupes (1-2-3 ou 2 ou 3). Je sais que le groupe 2 ou 3 est plus sûr que 1-2-3, mais moi savent également qu'il serait meilleur coller c'à 3 ans aux harnais de 5 points. De l'autre et moi doivent acheter un autre siège pour sortir mes presque 15 mois de densité double du siège infantile ! ainsi qui est le meilleur compromis ? J'ai pensé à la vie kiddy, mais j'ai peur que ma densité double soit trop grande savent pour le bouclier, et moi ai peur qu'elle ne pourrait pas l'aimer ! Ainsi il est vraiment difficile de décider !

J'ai trouvé les résultats prolongés de l'essai de 2006 accidents pour la lumière des étoiles comme rapporté du site Web de STM, et ils déclarent que les résultats pauvres sur l'accident plan sont limités juste au carseat utilisé comme groupe 1 avec la ceinture de 3 points, mais le siège ne devrait pas être employé de cette façon ! mais qui sait…. il est quelque chose rapportée dans leur site Web ! ce que je devrais faire ! ? ? ! ? !

grâce au TRASLATOR-BOY !